Volume 3, Chapter 6: Fall

RWBY: Volume 3, Chapter 6: Fall

The Vytal Festival Tournament is the ultimate battle of skill, pitting the world's most powerful Huntsmen and Huntresses in training against one another... and it's finally here! Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Yang are back for a season of over-the-top action, and they're not alone. New fighters from around Remnant are ready to bring glory to their kingdom, but there are those among them with a far more sinister goal in mind

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  • shadowx2700

    6 months ago

    So did anyone else notice the grey sparks when Yang hit Mercury right before the illusion took place? 

  • 321gametime FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    I remember watching this in theaters with my parents coming along and my mom's face while watch the end was like "What? But..What?" Then a much needed intermission happened and my Dad asked "What the hell just happened" I was just sitting there jamming to the amazing soundtrack of RWBY. Oh memories. 

    • dsil88 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Lol thats cool you took your parents. 

  • laststraydog FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    "Break a leg sis"

  • PoeticallyPsychotic FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    8 months ago

    Watching this again, I'm noticing a lot of details I missed the first time. Yang is weak against opponents whose fighting styles are kick-based. This makes Mercury a natural counter to her, yet he starts off using punches as well. Once she starts landing hits on him, he switches to entirely kicks. Either he was adapting to her fighting style or underestimated her and started off going easy (more likely given how much they have engineered and planned for these fights). Then at the end, he kind of jukes/dances with his legs as Yang is about to shoot him. The audience thinks he's trying to dodge, but he's lining up his leg with the shot, since he can't know exactly what she's seeing or where she'll shoot until she starts to.

    • Kerisato

      7 months ago

      Maybe I'm just a pessimist (or optimist, depending on how you view it) but I feel like he was toying with her since this was his role in Cinder's plan. When he went up against Coco and Yatsuhashi he was going all out (or so it seemed). Keep in mind he's fast enough to outrun Coco's aim with her weapon.


      [Spoiler]I assume you've seen the next episode where it shows Cinder recruiting him, and his father was reportedly some kind of assassin but mercury killed him? He's definitely no scrub. (Not saying Yang is) I'm pretty sure he and Emerald are leagues better than most of the students at Beacon. [/Spoiler]

  • Kerisato

    9 months ago

    When Pyrrah comments that Ozpin isn't that old I can't help but feel like they're hinting he is much, much older. It might be the clocks in his tower, Qrow's comment of how he and the professor go way back, or that line about how Ozpin had made more mistakes than any man woman or child (in the first season) but I feel like his semblence has something to do with longevity. There's been other indicators too, all keep hinting that he's not simply a human. Or a normal one (for whatever qualifies in the RWBY world). Can't wait to see more intrigue piling on. Legends coming to life and secret organizations?


    That ending though... Everyone watching the fight (with their own eyes, not through a screen) would have seen Mercury attack Yang, wouldn't they? How does the video change it? All I can think is that maybe Mercury's semblence manipulates perceptions? When Emerald fought Coco I thought that first bullet was actually her semblence, projecting Yatsuhashi, confusing her.

    • iconicuniverse FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      9 months ago

      i believe its actually emeralds semblance that manipulates perceptions as in episode 7 when cinder is wondering how she "does that?" and you can kinda see her focusing on something at the end of the fight scene with yang and mercury. I think same goes with the Phyrra Vs Penny battle but not sure if you got there yet

    • smokeytheber

      7 months ago

      Plus, during the fight with team CFVY, Coco swears she saw Yatszuhashi while fighting Emerald when he had just been eliminated.  Kinda supports iconicuniverse's statement

  • AgentTexassippianna

    9 months ago

    "Coming up on Impractical Jokers on truTV:"


    "Ahhh, why'd she so that? Why'd she attack me?"

  • ColtonArendt

    10 months ago

    comment 3000 hahahha

  • Leonator666

    1 year ago

    How is Emerald able to manipulate video-footage?

    • DerrEtCetera

      1 year ago

      she can manipulate people's perception of things, so she could have just had Yang see on the screen what she had projected into everyone else's minds.

      Also the Queen Virus could have manipulated the feeds. Oobleck did tell the crew to turn off the cameras.

    • SgtCabooseftw FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Slayer of Teammates

      10 months ago

      She didnt, what actually happened was that mercury came up for a handshake, but emeralds semblance seems to be the ability to change ones perceptance of their surroundings, therefore causing Yang to see it as if he was attacking. The cameras were right, yang was wrong.

  • IanBray FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    OMG I'm re-watching this episode and Ruby yelling "Break a leg Sis" before the match is ruthless

  • Shadow_hunter

    1 year ago

    wont load :{

  • UnspokenNinja92

    1 year ago

    break a leg sis"

  • MrRoosterBot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    GREAT EPISODE! When's the next one?

  • DiamondRuby

    1 year ago

    What a lier.

  • Firestar1992 Pandora

    1 year ago

    I think this is the point when Yang started to fall apart to the point she's at now at the end of the season. She started doubting herself, and how she could help others. And then when she lost to Adam, the rest of her self-esteem crumbled. Now it's going to take a while to build it back up.

    • drake-fonest

      1 year ago

      or, someone could punch some sense into her and tell her to get her shit together or else they'll do it harder next time.

  • MasterPoppers FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I'm curious as to whether or not RT made a mistake. In this episode, the concept of the Maidens is introduced, and we are presented with them, presumably in order, each with their own colour: Winter - White, Spring - Green, Summer - Orange, Fall - Purple. However, when we are told the tale in the final World of Remnant for this season, the corresponding colours change ever so slightly: Winter - White/Blue, Spring - Green, Summer - Purple, Fall - Purple. I wonder if this was deliberate for some strange reason, or if was just a minor error on the Art Department's part.

    • Starkiller1108

      8 months ago

      Could just be that in the dedicated episode for the Maidens they wanted more detail than just the minute they had in the episode. Plus, RWBY is 3D with 2D explanations and story telling. World of Remnant is purely 2D.

  • BlissClouds

    1 year ago

    Someone in a confessions blog pointed out how unfair it is that Qrow credits Pyrhha with being the team carry when Nora pretty much won the 4 vs. 4 by herself.

  • JaseAlex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    That moment when you recall that The Wizard of OZ tale had 4 witches, (2 good and 2 wicked) with unimaginable powers and your face looks slightly more like that north american power outlet, because why did you not get that instantly? D=

  • AaronSim FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Ironwood: "For the past few years, Atlas has been studying Aura from a more scientific standpoint- how it works, what it's made of, how it can be used. We've made... significant strides. And we believe we've found a way to capture it."

    Qrow: "Capture it, and cram it into something else ..."

    Anybody else wonder if the "something else" might be Penny? How does a robot have an Aura if Aura is the physical manifestation of a soul? When you considering the connection between Aura and Soul, Qrow and Glynda's disapproval at Atlas' research and Pyrrha's reaction makes a lot of sense. Atlas is venturing on to some very questionable moral ground.

    Question is, from whom or what did Penny's Aura/Soul come from?

    • Wolfly_Loyals

      1 year ago

      I had thought of this question as well but dismissed it as everything else happened. It is a very good point and honestly I'm almost worried what the answer will be because Penny mentioned that Ironwood said it would be her responsibility to save the world... it may have been another maiden... though it is doubtful it is still a possibility.

    • JohnziScheme Fellow Netizen

      11 months ago

      I'm just now rewatching this season, and I had that 'Eureka' moment as well. I would bet money that is how Penny gained her aura, and that later in the series Atlas's morally gray scientific research will be not only a cause of very large conflict, but also some of that research(like the aura moving) will be applied in a more 'mainstream' fashion of the Atlesian military and possibly Atlas Academy. Maybe something along the lines of finding people with the best auras/semblances and putting them into something the military could easily control, like the androids, or perhaps just creating super-soldiers. Only time will tell I suppose.

  • roseslikered

    1 year ago

    I'm still wondering why they wanted Yang to 'break' Mercury's legs? They're only beginning huntresses so why are they going after them

    • Wolfly_Loyals

      1 year ago

      I believe they simply wanted to cause as much doubt and anger as possible and she was a convenient target.

    • Vegerunks FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      11 months ago

      They are beginning huntresses but they tend to cause a lot of problems as well, maybe they also were aiming to get under Crow's skin?

  • Doble-E

    1 year ago

    I´m guessing that Pyrrha is not going to take well the whole maiden thing since she already viewed herself as being too good, and now she is going to have even more power.

    So my guess is that she is finally going to embrace it but in a bad way (like taking justice in her own hands) and its up to everyone else to stop her but they will all fail only for Jaune to stop her and they will finally have their moment bs.

  • LCwolf1287

    1 year ago

    Spoilers from next episode!!! Love Yang so much. There has to be a way for her to be saved from this!!! She can't just get screwed over. The secret order of maidens, Pyrrha or perhaps Coco or Qrow need to testify on her behalf. Coco knows what its like to be tricked like this. Pyrrha having learned what she has about the world could get Yang's part of the story and Convince RWBY that it wasn't her fault. Maybe her mother could help her. She can't just be prosecuted like this!!! Somebody has to believe her and save her ass!!! This is so out of character for her. She would never do this. Team RWBY has to consider that very important fact. The same trick is played on Amber by Cinder, Mercury and Emerald in the next episode (Cinder's backstory). Really rooting for her!!! She has to be okay

  • IM-A-TREX IM-A-TREX

    1 year ago

    SPOILER ALERT If you aren't up to date I would recommend you don't read this. Does anyone think that if people found out about mercury's legs he might be disqualified from the tournament? I say this because they could say he has an unfair advantage because of his cybernetic augmentations. There is talk about stuff like this in real life, such as people with prosthetic legs aren't allowed to compete in olympic running events.

    • Lucifer_Morningstar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      In the world of remnant, I don't think he would be disqualified from the tournament for his legs (before the broken leg act). In a fight, everything is fair except cheating by like poison or harming them before the match. But just about everything else is fine, including emeralds semblance

    • Starkiller1108

      8 months ago

      As Morningstar said, it's all fair game except cheating like harm before the match or rigging. The person is disqualified for that or if their Aura passes below 16.

  • nighthawkaz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I was really trying to put my finger on what was really different about this season, and this episode drops it all in one bomb shell. GG

  • ish200653 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I liked how they changed Yang's theme song at the end to fit the mood.Hope she will be alright since she's my favorite character.

  • WCoastGhost7

    1 year ago

    Its possible it was all an illusion created by Emerald (or Mercury, though i dont think thats his semblance). The reason why i say OR Mercury was because Emerald look shocked when she ran over to her comrade (but it could have been an act too). If it was an illusion, Emerald is probably the one to question after the Coco incident (when she thought she saw her team mate).


    If thats the case my theory is:

    Mercury planned to fail from the beginning. The duel was much quicker than i thought, and although there was the perfect balance of guessing who was going to win, i expected a longer fight between the two. I dont think Mercury wouldve been beaten that easily especially against a RWBY girl, who they seem to have it out for. Anyway, so if he did plan to fail, then it would make sense for the next phase of the plan to be Emerald's illusion when Mercury "lost" the match. His attack afterward wasnt well thought out. As someone mentioned before, his attack was too open. That may have been deliberate too, in which they wanted Yang to attack.


    The question is why? My only guess is that they want people to turn their backs on Yang, but whats the motive if they seemed like they wanted Penny. Not sure how Yang ties into that plan but we'll see i suppose...


    As for the Fall Maiden, they mentioned that part of her power was 'stolen' my thoughts immediately went to Cinder (cutting the scene right to her face assured me a little). I havent seen her use dust. The moment they introduced her with Roman, i couldnt figure out how she managed to cast fire with out a sign of dust usage. It seemed a little far fetched but i thought her dress was infused with dust somehow, and thats why it lit up, but after the Fall Maiden thing, i dont think thats the case. Even so, shes not wearing her dress for the Vytal Fest, and her team fought (with Neo) before the doubles, so where did her 'dust' come from for that team match? Cant say for sure, too bad we didnt get to see how she fought.


    On another note: I wonder who the other maidens are? I heard theories that Winter might be...well...winter. Which would sort of make sense when she brought the summoning glyph in her hand, with out the use of a weapon (like Weiss needs because she stores dust in her rapier), but that could come from mastering glyphs too? Could Summer Rose be summer? Probably not, but if so maybe she isnt dead, since the power has to transfer after death.


    Who knows?! Lol!!!

    • GeminiSnake

      1 year ago

      There are some holes in your theory. First is that one does not need a weapon or dust to use their semblance, for a semblance is bound to ones aura. However dust can amplify a semblance. Look at Blake. When she used dust, her shadow clones had elemental properties.


      I don't think Winter is a maiden due to that she is seen. The brotherhood is trying to hide the maidens, not let them be in the public eye. So allowing a maiden to be a high military figure, not a vary good hiding spot.


      Now finally, Merc is the most likely the person with the power of illusion. Why, because lets look at the other villains. First lets look at Neo, first time we saw Neo really fight was on the train. Raven saved Yang and Neo just vanished, then during round one, Neo had a different color scheme, but lost the ability temporarily due to excitement. So Neo can change colors like a chameleons but can't fully control it, so therefor she's with the white fang after round one. Cinder obviously has dust manipulation powers, but can't use them openly for blowing her cover. Roman can make standins and Adam can absorb attack and retaliate. Now Emerald has teleportation powers. Look at her fight with Coco. she was everywhere and in a second sneak up behind her. Merc has the illusion powers, the catalyst is touch. Notice the fight with coco, merc signaled emerald to take her because he activated his semblance. The forest is the hardest area in that field to view so the audience would only see her franticly look around. Also I think merc didn't plan to lose to Yang. His expression in the fight would be hard to fake. He had to make an audible on the spot and used his semblance. The original plan was to have Penny fight merc in the final and hijack Penny to cause a outcry on Atlas by forming distrust as Penny went on a rampage. That's why Cinder was tinkering with Penny's blueprints.

  • BasselToubbe

    1 year ago

    Rather than talking about the Maiden issue at hand, I'm gonna discuss something I'm not sure if people touched on. What happens when someone gets an illusion? They see something that's not really happening. They react in real-time. Everyone sees this real-time reaction, but not the illusion itself. To them, everything is going as normal. So everyone saw Merc before the illusion, and after the illusion the same way Yang did. But can anyone else think of a time this happened where it was more obvious someone had an illusion? Think back to the double's round. Coco got affected by this illusion effect during a match against Mercury and Emerald. And she reacted in a way most people would call her crazy. She talked to air, when she thought it was to a person. If the audience doesn't remember that, Yang is screwed. But if the audience does remember that, they could connect the dots, potentially, and help everyone understand Yang's situation, potentially. That's at least, my take on this. I think Yang is gonna be proven, without a doubt, innocent.

    • KageYami FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kage Yami

      1 year ago

      Was it air though? My impression was that the illusion was cast atop of Coco's opponent, so it would look like she was talking to him - all he had to do was get the hell out of dodge before she realised, of which there was plenty of time (from memory).

    • danbonrp FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      and ozpin is not a dumb ass

    • Atlessa

      1 year ago

      Don't forget that happened in a densely forested area. It's quite possible the audience didn't even see any of it, simply because, well, trees.

    • dalec2

      1 year ago

      Well, that was the first doubles match we saw. For all we know, it could've been days before the first one-on-one match. Secondly, what dots, exactly? One member of the team can cast illusions, so that team member placed an illusion on the mind of someone so that they would break someone's leg so that everyone would get disgusted and attract a literal army of darkness to the kingdom's front gate?

    • LCwolf1287

      1 year ago

      I really hope so. If she doesn't get proven innocent quickly, I suspect things could get really ugly. Like turn to the darkness ugly. Join up with Cinder ugly. Could you imagine if that happened Ruby and team RWBY fighting their teammate. Sisters fighting. I think Cinder's potential plan could be to get everyone to turn on Yang and then recruit Yang when she's vulnerable. Her only hope is that Cinder's group gets exposed somehow. Or that the secret order believes her story. Her mother has the ability to jump through portals. She could possibly break Yang out of jail early if she needs to

  • Nebulaique FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    "Break a leg, sis!" said Ruby.


    Yang, that wasn't a literal directive.

  • Henrycool

    1 year ago

    well war is coming to the RWBY world for the first time in a long time

  • Kanuki10 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Well, I read a few others writing things similar to what I’m about to write, but I wanted to give my own take on things before the next episode.This might seem long, but believe me, this is the short version.

    I can’t think of a point where a hypnotic suggestion/trigger/custom illusion could have been placed on Yang, unless that is literally Mercs semblance (or Cinders/Neos/Emeralds, we just don’t bloody know), but I would be unhappy with the lack of foreshadowing towards it.If the trigger word was “Blondie” or something to that effect, and the indication we get is from that musical shrill that is played before Merc attacks, to indicate we are now viewing an illusion, it doesn’t sync up.From Yang’s perspective, he was at least a couple yards away from her after her little Dempsey Roll combo finished.But the cameras show her walking from behind him to the front of him, him standing (did he walk toward her? If so, it wasn’t shown), her shooting his right leg at a distance, whereas from her (possibly actual) perspective, it was a close quarters punch augmented with a shot.Not sure if forensics is gonna’ be a thing in this fiction, but those two injuries would look different; differing distances, one with Merc in movement, the other with Merc at rest.Even their angles of impact would be different.

    The way he kicks also seems suspect. Not only did he know his Aura was depleted, but he always gave me more of a Tae Kwon Do mixed with Capoeira vibe.Elsewhere in the series, he also seems to know when to stay quiet, (though that is more my impression than anything else.) Whereas this time he announces himself and does a bloody Might Guy style Dynamic Entry leaping side kick from several feet away.He came across to me as presenting as blatant a target as he could for Yang to hit. Though I suppose this could not only feed into this whole thing being a work from Merc/Cinder, but also that this could be how Yang’s hypnotized mind justified what she was compelled to do.

    Also, no one is actually seeing the fights directly; everyone is seeing the fights through the lens of the protective field/shield blocking stray projectiles. We know Cinder has access to most, if not all, aspects of the arena’s technology and excused herself before the match got underway. Not knowing her whereabouts seems important. Is she setting up the ploy, or maybe making an attempt at the maiden?

    I’m of the opinions that Emerald has a disguise based semblance, which is what we saw with Coco’s fight. Neo’s semblance hasn’t been shown, I feel, to do more than leave afterimages and cover escapes, maybe also screwing with depth perception during a fight. It makes you think she is where she is not, not that’s she’s an altogether different race/height/gender.

    Given how none of these fights are actually random, I think Cinder and company played a long con on this, recording Emerald disguised as Yang “shooting” Merc in the leg prior to the finals, and displaying this for all to see, via Cinder’s uncontested degree of access to their systems.I feel the fact that she has enough access to know about Penny indicates her level admission to their systems. It would have been obvious that Yang would advance to singles after Weiss's somewhat injured state after the doubles match.

    This would also mean that Merc was a willing participant, and I do find his character to be enough of a “true believer” in Cinder to put up with a broken leg/shin.He also seems to be hamming it up after the fact, loudly asking why he was attacked; playing to the crowd’s emotions.

    My explanation also relies on a flaw (in a positive, interesting sense) of Yang’s character.If my interpretation holds true, this whole charade leaned heavily on how Yang would respond to Mercs attack.Getting hit, dodging, blocking, parrying/riposting; anything at all other than a counter attack to blow away the “weapon” that was coming her way would have spoiled their efforts.Yang is a hot head, and prone to anger/physical confrontation.That bit her this time ‘round.

    Little thing I noticed: Yang used dust shots during her final rush, we saw what I assume is Merc’s aura being depleted with an augmented left to the body, followed by a right to his jaw (now unprotected by aura) without a dust shot, indicated by the lack of a sound effect or muzzle-flash.This leads me to believe Yang is not under control here, if she is at all.She could have just been made to use dust and done even worse to him, though I suppose it could have come across as an accident, and not as much as like a heel as Cinder would have wanted.Of course with my interpretation, this also means Yang knowingly used dust to break Merc leg because “that’s what you get”, feeding even more into Yang’s brash demeanor.

    • Atlessa

      1 year ago

      Occam's Razor, man. Yang was under an Illusion, created either by Mercury or Emerald. The same as was done to Coco in their previous fight. You can even hear the same sound.


      The camera's recorded what was actually seen by the audience. The footage didn't need to be tempered. And seriously, with a few thousand eye witnesses testifying to Mercury's attack, do you really think the officials wouldn't realize something was up?


      Nah, the only thing that has been tempered is Yang's perception. WHO and HOW is not quite clear yet, but any other theory is way too complicated.

    • Kanuki10 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I get what you’re saying, but Occam’s Razor is only a heuristic. With new data the simpler theory may in fact be falsified, and Occam's razor will choose the wrong theory, if given the wrong inputs.There are aspects of Yang straight up being hypnotized I find suspect, so I’m trying to suss out alternate explanations while we wait for the official one.Also, speculation is fun.

  • Romsca

    1 year ago

    One of the best episodes in the series so far! Props

  • SaraTSP FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I know everyone's freaking out about the maidens (trust me, I am too) but I had a thought about Yang. I think that more is being calculated during these fights than we know. Cinder seems to be doing something with these fights, or at least looking at things as if it's a game she can manipulate. I think that she knows Yang is the only one who would react the way she wanted.

    Yang is probably the only member of team RWBY that would react in such a way when she thinks she's being attacked out of turn, offensively.

    Blake would most definitely have jumped out of the way, Weiss too. They would have only been looked at as rude.

    Ruby, if anything, would have redrawn Crescent Rose, and used it as a shield, again, a defensive move. She would have been looked at as though she was threatening Mercury.

    Yang, I feel, is the only one who would have reacted in such an offensive and almost rash way. Cinder knows that, and once she found out that Yang was their final pick for the one on ones, she used it to her advantage. Cinder definitely know about Yang's actions against Neo by now, and knows that Yang is, quite literally, pretty hotheaded.

    She saw the opportunity to ruin a member of Team RWBY, and took it without a second thought. I'm hoping that there is some sort of Remnant technology that can track semblance usage or even track if someone was messed with, that can clear Yang's name.

    I'm also hoping that Mercury didn't know that Cinder was going to have this done, and in turn this may lead to Mercury (and probably Emerald along with him) rising against her.

    This may also lead to Yang needing to really think about her reactions to things, and whether or not she is going down a good path where her reactions are immediate and anger filled....

  • thesaneking7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    RWBY theory: Well we already know the winter maiden "Winter" Weiss' sister. I'm trying to determine if maybe the reason the Schnee's specifically have had summoning pass down and it's such a special semblance and hereditary is because maybe they have always had the winter maiden in their family and perhaps they can slightly use a lesser version before they inherit it. (maybe each mother has thought of their daughter when they die, if winter dies maybe it will pass to her sister Weiss) also we know Summer was at one point Summer Rose most likely. I would say this is evidence for her being alive because i think it would have passed down to Ruby if she had died(unless that's Yang's power or maybe it is Raven giving her time travel or whatever with those portals). Spring is a mystery to me. Perhaps when Qrow is speaking of a villain in the episode he fights winter when he says "i've seen the things she's made" maybe he isn't talking about Cinder. Cinder doesn't really "make" things. Perhaps spring can grow beings similar to Grimm or grows regular Grimm herself from ashes. Maybe she is even Cinder's mom. She wanted Cinder Fall to become the fall maiden so she had her attack Amber but only stole half the power.

  • equinox-class_Grimm

    1 year ago

    i don't need contacts because your b@$%^&*! is see through

  • GameGeek126 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold GameGeek126

    1 year ago

    There was an illusion caused by Neo placed on Yang that would agitate her enough to were she would react. The crowd saw her reacting.

    Illusions are not Emerald's or Mercury's semblance... Note the sound effect used when Mercury attacks. It is also the same sound made the big guy in team CFVY (I forgot how to spell his name he begins with a Y) is seen even though he was defeated. This is also the same sound used when Neo uses her abilities in Season 2 on the fight scene with Yang.


    I do not think Cinder got up to manipulate a camera, I believe she got up to do something else malevolent though. I think this incident/fight was meant to be a distraction from whatever she is up to.

  • scullerz

    1 year ago

    note at the beginning of the fight its only cinder in the crowed .... wheres emerald , surly she would go to watch her comerade fight... unless shes the one responsible for the illusion!! shes allready shown from the fight with coco's team she has some skill in that art, and that it may well be her sembilance...

    • GameGeek126 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold GameGeek126

      1 year ago

      There was an illusion caused by Neo placed on Yang that would agitate her enough to were she would react. The crowd saw her reacting. Illusions are not Emerald's or Mercury's semblance... Note the sound effect used when Mercury attacks. It is also the same sound made the big guy in team CFVY (I forgot how to spell his name he begins with a Y) is seen even though he was defeated. This is also the same sound used when Neo uses her abilities in Season 2 on the fight scene with Yang.

      I do not think Cinder got up to manipulate a camera, I believe she got up to do something else malevolent though. I think this incident/fight was meant to be a distraction from whatever she is up to.

    • JaseAlex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      My best unproven guess:


      I have a theory that places Emerald where we see her. It was that Neo can do illusions (including voice) that only effect the mind, and Emerald can do (visual only) invisibility on herself and at least one other, that fools everyone. According to sound cues (she has that teleport high pitch vanish thing she did on the train in Vol. 2) we can hear that Neo is in both scenes that have illusions (fight with Coco and this fight with Yang). So if Neo is there, the illusions must belong to her (an assupmtion, yes). In the fight against Coco and Yatsuhashi, Neo made the fake Yatsuhashi in the cover of the woods; so she didn't have to worry about herself being seen by the crowd. Emerald uses her invisibility to sneak up on Coco from behind while she was distracted. If that holds true, then...


      In this fight (Yang vs Mercury) Neo would be too exposed to use her illusion on Yang. No environmental obsticals to hide behind for this match. Then, if she had Emerald to cloak them (make them both invisible) Neo could do her thing against Yang and not be seen doing it. It also places Emerald where we see her at the end of this fight, even though we don't see her in the crowd. Neo can be heard teleporting (or whatever she does) just as illusion Mercury is about to land his kick on Yang. This entire theory hinges on Neo's illusion to be a Mind Trick rather then an actual projected hollogram. The reason I think it is, is becuse no member of the audience was confused as to why there was a second Yatsuhashi with Coco, in their fight. The guy is huge, but only Coco saw him (then didn't see him).


      Some will reference the illusion that was smashed in Vol.2 (Painting the Town) but, if Neo mind tricked all of Team RWBY then the illusion being smashed by Yang could also be part of their hallusination. I supose the biggest problems with the theory is; Why does Neo have 2 abilities (teleport and this illusion that is actually more of a hallusination)? Since we see her display both abilities, the problem is with the character. Why do her eyes change color and what does that mean? The other thing is that Emerald's invisibility is unconfirmed. We have so many theories and RT are absolute masters at misleading and being very careful about what they show us, and how they show it to us.


      Even though I have sought to disprove this theory, to the contrary, every argument has found clues that have helped me refine it, to its current state. But, it's still just a guess. Given the creativity of the team at RT there are millions of other ways, as to how we saw the things that we think we saw. This is just one of many that holds up when tested against the previouse works (RWBY Vol. 1 and Vol. 2).


      So, as always, my view point is subject to change.

  • John17 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    So here's something crazy that just percolated through my mad mind:

    Who else thinks that Pyrrha is the infiltrator and the one who stole some of Amber's powers?

    That smirk in the elevator in chapter 5...

    • JanFrederikP FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Freddanish

      6 months ago

      Woah, woah, woah, there. Pyrrha doesn't have it in her to do that, she's a good person. And plus... we have confirmation that it isn't her.

  • Henrycool

    1 year ago

    17:11 to 17:13 that's not what happened I hoped Ruby,Blake,and Yang believe that because Mercury attacked first

    • JerichoF FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      One or the other was an illusion. Likely what Yang saw, since it'd take more work to fool the entire crowd and the cameras.

  • Henrycool

    1 year ago

    I will wait 3 weeks but then I can watch all three of the episodes in a row without having to wait a week to watch each (binging) but I wonder if Pyerria will tell her teammates about her being the next in line to be the Fall Maiden

  • Henrycool

    1 year ago

    Cinder probably has something to do with the ending she hacked into the camera's or there 4th teammate did. we will have to see. but i'm binging the next 3 episodes see you all later enjoy the other episodes my friends

    • Cordless549 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      NOOOO. It was an illusion that made Yang think Mercury was attacking her when he wasn't! There was no hacking, it was all legit! I should get this written down to copy & paste because no-one understands this XD

    • GameGeek126 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold GameGeek126

      1 year ago

      There was an Illusion set up by Neo. I think the uproar of this fight is to distract people from what Cinder is about to do next

  • Coolstar422

    1 year ago

    (1.) Wow, I will never get sick of the intro, man it's so awesome. There'll be no rest, there'll be no love, there'll be no hero in the end, who will rise above. Ugh, beautiful as always Casey. P.S. I remember the lyrics to every one of the Rwby songs. (2.) Stupid Neo with her stupid illusion semblance, what will happen the Yang now? ;-;

  • SheDragon

    1 year ago

    This episode is Great. But is it the last one of the season?

    • Genlogic

      1 year ago

      Nope, we got 6 more episodes to go.

  • Genlogic

    1 year ago

    this has to be one of the best episodes of volume 3, pretty awesome

  • JaseAlex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I think Raven stole the missing part of the Fall Maiden's powers. Every character on Cinder's faction appear to have normal levels of power that can be explained by semblance, and dust. Raven appeared (like magic) out of nowhere to stop Neo in Vol. 2. Yang's uncle Qrow does not talk much about his missing sister and gave Pyrrah that line "We can fill you in on the details when we know you are with us. For now all you need to know..." This seems like someone he trusted betrayed him before. His sister could have learned about the Maiden's through him, or Qrow got involved with Ozpin when Raven made her move.


    Since we don't know where or when the Autumn Maiden was attacked, and it seems like Raven could have seen Yang at any time, but has chosen not too. If this attack did happen around the time Raven disappeared... Qrow's message in Vol. 1, "Queen has pawns" could be that everyone on Cinder's crew is actually working under Raven. The fact she contacted Yang at the end of Vol. 2 and now Yang is in this predicament, could be anything, but seems too coincidental. Especially when you consider how personal this attack is to Yang. Some say that Cinder knows Yang and that everything is calculated. Okay, but how would Cinder know her well enough to set such an elaborate trap?


    The other thing to consider is how hard it is to pin down Cinder's motivation. It's easy to say she just wants to see the world burn. But if instead, we consider that she is one of the pawns, on a quest to take the other half of the Fall maidens power for her master. Then some of the things she says and does start to fall into alignment. The easy question is, if Raven did it, then why doesn't she go after the other half herself? Perhaps because she only has half, she can't or wouldn't be able too. Maybe she needs someone else to get her close enough, so she can finish what she started. Even Ironwood stated that they have never seen the power split like this before.


    Usually I like to keep my ideas "in lore" but, there are sooo many stories about Ravens stealing the Sun and the Moon and creating darkness across the world; that I am honestly shocked not to have seen something like this posted yet. Since this theory puts two things together that we know the least about (Maiden powers and Raven); I'm fully aware there is a high probability that this could be proven wrong very soon.

    • equinox-class_Grimm

      1 year ago

      dust. did you not see the myncaster like dust compartment in ravens sword.

    • GeminiSnake

      1 year ago

      Ravens are also spies, or pets and children of gods. To use one western idea is not the best main point to use in the argument. Now lets look at her two appearance on the show. she wears a mask like those brutes in the White Fang. So it is possible that she is a deep undercover black op agent infiltrating the White Fang. That would explain a lot of the information of her disappearance.

    • JaseAlex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      @Equinox-class_Grimm I sure did see that compartment. It's part of the swords design and would need dust before Raven stole the Maidens power. I have no way to prove if there is dust in it at the time we saw it. All I know is that the timing of Raven's arrival and the fact that Neo just fled, tells me Raven is on a different level. Like she was watching the entire thing go down, and then time-space ported from wherever she was, to there. Neo didn't even bother to put up a fight (both eyes turned white, as if to say "I surrender"). Then Raven leaves before Yang gaines consciousness. Later they are able to meet in a dream or something.


      Maybe Raven is that powerful without the Fall Maidens power, but given the timing of everything. I am super suspect of her at this point. If she can talk to Cinder the same way she talked to Yang (in a dream) then how Cinder is so confident about the plan, and staying to the plan comes into a different light. Cinder is super intelligent and able to run the operation on her own. I just can't figure out why she is so motivated to do all this. Unless she has access to knowledge about the maidens, but where and when did she get that? The virus Cinder planted, is searching for something, also, who made it? It seems to be sneaking in the shadows ready to jump into action, just like Raven did.


      As always, I could be wrong about this. This theory brings that feeling like, if it's true you really don't want it to be, but part of you can't help but think, what if?

    • JerichoF FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Besides the part where there are 4 maidens, and she could be one of the other 3.

      And when she appeared to Neo, Neo seemed to recognize her immediately and reacted in fear instead of confusion at someone of White Fang, or even just higher up the same chain of command attacking her (which makes a little less sense, since from what we've been shown [read as "what I remember"] Cinder's at the highest point we know of). In the same vein, Raven seemed ready to attack Neo, more than just stop her.

      Aside, Cinder has access to a large amount (or all?) of Beacon's files, and that Yang's tendencies would likely be on record, and Cinder was there to watch her previous fights in the tournament.

      Also back to what equinox-class_Grimm mentioned; on the one hand, she only has a portion of the Fall Maiden's powers so she still still uses Dust for reasons (various), on the other hand she doesn't have the Fall Maiden's powers and her appearance there was a use of Dust that we haven't seen, or her Semblance.


      And going on a name Mythos basis, "Cinder" is more like the leftovers of an "Ember," no? Though that in itself could be on purpose so people think the connection is there, at the same time I don't recall Cinder ever using a weapon in conjunction with abilities that would normally use Dust.

    • JaseAlex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      @JericoF If what you state is true how did Cinder know where to look for the Fall Maiden before she loaded the Virus into the CCT? This plan was well thought out and under way before Cinder started hacking the planet. If it was just about getting to a Maiden then (as you state there are 3 other options) why the one that was attacked? While I can't completely discount that Raven could be one of the other 3 Maidens, why was there 0 interaction with Yang until she lost to Neo on the train? If she was some other all-powerful maiden, drop a dream chat and just say "hi" even go visit the person.


      Back to the Neo and Raven interaction, If someone started to make a move like they were going to stab my daughter through the heart while they were K.O.ed, I would want to jump through space-time (or whatever) to stop them too. The fact that she didn't take Neo down is what has such a strange read on that scene. It was like she said "No, leave!" with her sword. and that is exactly what Neo did. Why leave Neo standing? Unless Neo is on the same side and still needed for future missions. Raven seems powerful but somehow limited. Like the Maiden on life support she also seems stuck somehow.


      For a crazy theory this actually seems to hold up, so far. That can change the moment we get a new episode and with it, new information.

    • equinox-class_Grimm

      1 year ago

      what is really important is how in brawl in the family it says that SHE created creatures that are fear... (she is not specified)

    • equinox-class_Grimm

      1 year ago

      oh yeah regardless raven is on a whole different level... but whose to say that was actually raven? (i know it probably was but damn it things are not always as they seem especially here.)

    • equinox-class_Grimm

      1 year ago

      and gemini? this is made in america... just saying. but you forgot like odins ravens like guardians...

    • equinox-class_Grimm

      1 year ago

      jer no her name is a reference to CINDERella

  • GeminiSnake

    1 year ago

    Ok guys, I figured out the villains special abilities. Roman creates glass like duplicates, Emerald has teleportation powers, and Cinder has dust manipulation powers. those are the ones few will really argue about, but the last two, Neo and Merc, are the two questionable ones. Neo has chamilic like ability to change her coloring allowing her to fade invisible or here color tone, remember the 2:11 and 3:1 as she disappeared on the train and had a different color scheme in the fight. However there is no evidence of her able to shape shift, but she can make those she is currently touching to change colors as well, explaining the vanishing of Roman and Neo in volume two. Merc has the power of illusions, however he needs to touch the person to activate, and awareness cancels it. Explaining the incident with Coco and how Merc is able to shoot so many rounds off in a tornado. And maybe the illusions can harm too but that's really stretching it. Another evident to the activation process, watch right before the last blow in Merc and Yang's fight, Merc activates his semblance which is visible gray on the final blow. Now where is Neo, well with Roman in jail, she is most likely overseeing the last of the heavy lifting operation with the White Fang. Someone needs to be there right?

  • CloudyDragonGirl

    1 year ago

    Is it gonna be harder for them to keep making RWBY possible?

    Just recently I heard that "the man who's name was Monty Oum with the original series RWBY, has passed away recently after he had a rooting medical procedure, and had a severe allergic reaction causing him to go into a coma. He never regained consciousness. Sometime after that Rooster Teeth announced on they're weekly podcast that he had died on February 1st, 2015."


    Rooster Teeth is said to of said "they will continue the production of RWBY as they believe that is what he would of wanted."

    Any thoughts?


    Original source of information:

    Where?: YouTube

    Title?: Top 15 YouTubes That Tragically Died

    Video By?: Top15s

    (Monty Oum is number 12 on their list.)

    • GeminiSnake

      1 year ago

      Its is sad but true that Oum died, but he was the main fight choreographer of RvB as well, but the show will go on. It would be bad to not finish his project. RT will continue to make RWBY and RvB till completion for his memeory.

    • GeminiSnake

      1 year ago

      And I forgot, that happen about 9 months ago.?

    • equinox-class_Grimm

      1 year ago

      so sad but yes they will continue to do it. in memory they will complete it to settle the score. monty made this site famous (arguable but rvb and some of ruby) and now its time for RT to do it on its own

  • cheesepuff11

    1 year ago

    i must have the musical score fro the fight scene

  • QSDM87

    1 year ago

    What?... What happened?! Who did that to Yang?

  • Dio_medes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Just wondering if I can watch the Livestream that was on last Saturday, I missed it at the time and i can't find it anywhere...

    • JaseAlex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I was able to re-watch it on youtube recently, check there.

  • BlakeRWBYBelladonna

    1 year ago

    I have watched this already and want to rewatch it but the page wont play the video, in fact it wont play anything on the rt site, what do I do?

  • smasheffect FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    just...... WAT